1 00:00:04,390 --> 00:00:01,429 okay 2 00:00:05,910 --> 00:00:04,400 so now this is i guess i've been waiting 3 00:00:09,030 --> 00:00:05,920 for a couple of months i'm excited to 4 00:00:11,749 --> 00:00:09,040 have him on uh it's john ramirez he's a 5 00:00:14,950 --> 00:00:11,759 a nice ufo expert but he's 6 00:00:17,109 --> 00:00:14,960 more interestingly a former cia agent 7 00:00:19,109 --> 00:00:17,119 john you you work for the wood the cia 8 00:00:21,189 --> 00:00:19,119 for 25 years and the directorate of 9 00:00:22,950 --> 00:00:21,199 science and technology 10 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:22,960 yeah that's right i was never an agent 11 00:00:26,390 --> 00:00:24,960 we're not agents we're officers agents 12 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:26,400 are like uh 13 00:00:30,790 --> 00:00:28,640 what we call like uh confidential 14 00:00:33,830 --> 00:00:30,800 informants in the police force you know 15 00:00:36,150 --> 00:00:33,840 a sky is not a police force officer an 16 00:00:39,670 --> 00:00:36,160 agent is not a member of the cia there 17 00:00:42,470 --> 00:00:39,680 are people we hire overseas to give us 18 00:00:44,549 --> 00:00:42,480 information so i was a cia officer in 19 00:00:47,029 --> 00:00:44,559 the director of science and technology 20 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:47,039 and in the director of intelligence and 21 00:00:53,750 --> 00:00:50,320 also served in the odni national counter 22 00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:53,760 proliferation center from 84 to 2009 so 23 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:56,640 yes it's 25 years so 24 00:00:59,270 --> 00:00:57,600 you're a 25 00:01:00,869 --> 00:00:59,280 man of substance you're not a nut bag 26 00:01:02,150 --> 00:01:00,879 you are you know what you're talking 27 00:01:03,430 --> 00:01:02,160 about 28 00:01:05,750 --> 00:01:03,440 well um 29 00:01:09,030 --> 00:01:05,760 i would say that i've 30 00:01:12,550 --> 00:01:09,040 encountered a lot of information 31 00:01:15,270 --> 00:01:12,560 concerning the uap ufo uap topic 32 00:01:17,749 --> 00:01:15,280 as part of my normal day job 33 00:01:20,789 --> 00:01:17,759 and so i wasn't an expert or anything 34 00:01:22,630 --> 00:01:20,799 there's no one at cia which i would call 35 00:01:25,670 --> 00:01:22,640 an expert in this 36 00:01:27,910 --> 00:01:25,680 but in so doing our regular day jobs of 37 00:01:30,230 --> 00:01:27,920 intelligence collection and analysis and 38 00:01:32,310 --> 00:01:30,240 intelligence reporting uh we do come 39 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:32,320 across this phenomenon and we have come 40 00:01:36,469 --> 00:01:34,479 across this phenomenon for decades 41 00:01:38,310 --> 00:01:36,479 now like this month that's why it's 42 00:01:41,670 --> 00:01:38,320 newsworthy this i'll give you the big 43 00:01:43,910 --> 00:01:41,680 jumble of the bureaucracy or the house 44 00:01:45,190 --> 00:01:43,920 intelligence counterterrorism 45 00:01:48,149 --> 00:01:45,200 counter intelligence counter 46 00:01:49,270 --> 00:01:48,159 proliferation subcommittee held hearings 47 00:01:52,310 --> 00:01:49,280 which is 48 00:01:53,510 --> 00:01:52,320 not normal and even top intelligence 49 00:01:55,109 --> 00:01:53,520 officials 50 00:01:58,069 --> 00:01:55,119 in the pentagon 51 00:01:59,510 --> 00:01:58,079 said that most but not all phenomenon 52 00:02:01,670 --> 00:01:59,520 can be explained 53 00:02:02,709 --> 00:02:01,680 can you explain that 54 00:02:03,670 --> 00:02:02,719 uh 55 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:03,680 i 56 00:02:16,550 --> 00:02:14,080 and so when they say uh most can be 57 00:02:17,990 --> 00:02:16,560 explained what they're not saying is the 58 00:02:19,030 --> 00:02:18,000 explanation 59 00:02:21,270 --> 00:02:19,040 and 60 00:02:22,869 --> 00:02:21,280 congress this particular subcommittee of 61 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:22,879 the house permanent select committee on 62 00:02:28,869 --> 00:02:26,560 intelligence the c3 uh 63 00:02:31,910 --> 00:02:28,879 was uh previously 64 00:02:33,030 --> 00:02:31,920 more immersed into these kind of of 65 00:02:34,869 --> 00:02:33,040 threats 66 00:02:36,550 --> 00:02:34,879 and so when they 67 00:02:38,949 --> 00:02:36,560 they meaning the 68 00:02:41,350 --> 00:02:38,959 department of defense officials 69 00:02:43,350 --> 00:02:41,360 said that most can be explained the 70 00:02:45,350 --> 00:02:43,360 follow-up question if i was sitting on 71 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:45,360 on that subcommittee 72 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:47,040 i would ask okay 73 00:02:50,949 --> 00:02:49,440 what are your explanations and they 74 00:02:53,030 --> 00:02:50,959 didn't pursue it 75 00:02:54,470 --> 00:02:53,040 so explain john i mean we were treated 76 00:02:57,589 --> 00:02:54,480 to a bunch of 77 00:02:59,110 --> 00:02:57,599 videotape of things that don't 78 00:03:01,910 --> 00:02:59,120 seem to 79 00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:01,920 behave in ways that we understand 80 00:03:04,949 --> 00:03:03,680 physical science to be so what what are 81 00:03:07,910 --> 00:03:04,959 we seeing 82 00:03:11,830 --> 00:03:07,920 well what you saw was a very 83 00:03:14,309 --> 00:03:11,840 poor video the worst possible probably 84 00:03:17,750 --> 00:03:14,319 of the holdings by 85 00:03:20,630 --> 00:03:17,760 what was collected by the uap task force 86 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:20,640 which was instituted in 87 00:03:25,350 --> 00:03:22,560 2020 88 00:03:27,350 --> 00:03:25,360 and finished its work in 2021 with that 89 00:03:30,149 --> 00:03:27,360 preliminary assessment and we learned 90 00:03:33,350 --> 00:03:30,159 that there were 144 91 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:33,360 events that the uap task force uh run by 92 00:03:38,470 --> 00:03:35,920 the office of naval intelligence studied 93 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:38,480 and they just picked one which was like 94 00:03:42,149 --> 00:03:40,799 the worst possible you didn't see much 95 00:03:44,309 --> 00:03:42,159 of anything 96 00:03:46,949 --> 00:03:44,319 just this object that did do some 97 00:03:49,509 --> 00:03:46,959 maneuvering like very fast um but they 98 00:03:52,390 --> 00:03:49,519 explained as oh you know the the fighter 99 00:03:54,070 --> 00:03:52,400 jet was going this speed and you know 100 00:03:56,149 --> 00:03:54,080 this object moved relative to the 101 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:56,159 fighter jack it could have been that 102 00:03:59,670 --> 00:03:57,360 but they didn't really come up with a 103 00:04:01,270 --> 00:03:59,680 satisfying explanation of the other 104 00:04:03,110 --> 00:04:01,280 videos that they have and they're 105 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:03,120 holding you in your intelligence 106 00:04:08,390 --> 00:04:06,080 gathering your 25 years in the cia 107 00:04:10,149 --> 00:04:08,400 are there is there alien life visiting 108 00:04:11,030 --> 00:04:10,159 this planet 109 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:11,040 um 110 00:04:15,110 --> 00:04:12,400 i would take 111 00:04:16,789 --> 00:04:15,120 the word alien out of that 112 00:04:18,390 --> 00:04:16,799 and just say 113 00:04:20,789 --> 00:04:18,400 are there 114 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:20,799 advanced 115 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:23,360 civilizations visiting our planet not 116 00:04:27,030 --> 00:04:24,720 necessarily 117 00:04:29,350 --> 00:04:27,040 alien and are they not just visiting or 118 00:04:31,430 --> 00:04:29,360 have they been here all the time 119 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:31,440 that's the part of the narrative that 120 00:04:35,270 --> 00:04:33,280 the department of defense 121 00:04:37,749 --> 00:04:35,280 is not addressing 122 00:04:39,590 --> 00:04:37,759 but if you talk to former cia officers 123 00:04:41,749 --> 00:04:39,600 and i'll mention his name because he's 124 00:04:44,469 --> 00:04:41,759 been in the public sphere his name is 125 00:04:46,550 --> 00:04:44,479 jim simivan and if you ask jim suiman 126 00:04:47,990 --> 00:04:46,560 what's going on he'll come up with two 127 00:04:49,590 --> 00:04:48,000 hypotheses 128 00:04:51,830 --> 00:04:49,600 that he believes 129 00:04:53,110 --> 00:04:51,840 is happening and when he says i believe 130 00:04:55,990 --> 00:04:53,120 this is what 131 00:04:56,950 --> 00:04:56,000 is happening he has clearances still i 132 00:04:59,990 --> 00:04:56,960 do not 133 00:05:03,430 --> 00:05:00,000 so he says interdimensional hypotheses 134 00:05:05,749 --> 00:05:03,440 and the um 135 00:05:07,189 --> 00:05:05,759 idea that something is coming to us that 136 00:05:09,270 --> 00:05:07,199 we can't explain that could be 137 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:09,280 interdimensional in nature 138 00:05:13,430 --> 00:05:11,360 and the other is the ultra-terrestrial 139 00:05:15,990 --> 00:05:13,440 hypothesis and by 140 00:05:17,189 --> 00:05:16,000 ultra-terrestrial that is ut 141 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:17,199 these are 142 00:05:21,350 --> 00:05:18,720 advanced civilizations that may have 143 00:05:23,909 --> 00:05:21,360 been here a long time before humanity 144 00:05:24,870 --> 00:05:23,919 arrived and that is the technology we're 145 00:05:26,310 --> 00:05:24,880 seeing 146 00:05:28,390 --> 00:05:26,320 and there's the concept of something 147 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:28,400 called a breakaway civilization now you 148 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:30,880 see in um myths and legends of the 149 00:05:35,350 --> 00:05:32,960 ancient peoples that always had the gods 150 00:05:37,430 --> 00:05:35,360 fighting each other and one side wins 151 00:05:40,310 --> 00:05:37,440 the other side gets thrown out 152 00:05:42,629 --> 00:05:40,320 um and the breakaway civilization is the 153 00:05:43,590 --> 00:05:42,639 one that got thrown out 154 00:05:44,629 --> 00:05:43,600 and and 155 00:05:47,189 --> 00:05:44,639 more of the 156 00:05:49,909 --> 00:05:47,199 christian tradition uh and the judaic 157 00:05:53,029 --> 00:05:49,919 tradition to go back into genesis text 158 00:05:54,469 --> 00:05:53,039 you have a battle between good and evil 159 00:05:57,189 --> 00:05:54,479 god and satan 160 00:06:00,070 --> 00:05:57,199 and satan or lucifer the bringers of 161 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:00,080 light were thrown out fallen and that 162 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:02,080 kind of coincides with a lot of ancient 163 00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:03,039 texts 164 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:05,280 so is that what we're seeing is 165 00:06:09,270 --> 00:06:07,919 terrestrials people have been here 166 00:06:11,990 --> 00:06:09,280 longer than we have 167 00:06:14,469 --> 00:06:12,000 and have may have had some input into 168 00:06:16,390 --> 00:06:14,479 our development into our evolution now 169 00:06:17,590 --> 00:06:16,400 if you're a christian um you believe in 170 00:06:20,550 --> 00:06:17,600 genesis 171 00:06:22,870 --> 00:06:20,560 you believe that god created man from 172 00:06:23,909 --> 00:06:22,880 his own image let us make man in our 173 00:06:26,070 --> 00:06:23,919 image 174 00:06:28,469 --> 00:06:26,080 and so if you translate that into like 175 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:28,479 the ultra terrestrial hypothesis that 176 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:33,830 beings more advanced than us had some 177 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:36,240 input into how we turned out 178 00:06:41,830 --> 00:06:37,840 and some of those beings wanted to be 179 00:06:46,150 --> 00:06:43,590 what does that have to do with like 180 00:06:48,469 --> 00:06:46,160 supersonic machines being caught on 181 00:06:50,469 --> 00:06:48,479 videotape yeah why maybe 182 00:06:53,110 --> 00:06:50,479 maybe those supersonic machines caught 183 00:06:55,029 --> 00:06:53,120 on videotape belong to 184 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:55,039 these ultra-terrestrial civilizations 185 00:06:58,550 --> 00:06:55,919 that 186 00:07:01,350 --> 00:06:58,560 many folks who encounter like 187 00:07:03,749 --> 00:07:01,360 these beings um who say i encounter 188 00:07:06,550 --> 00:07:03,759 these beings i've been abducted 189 00:07:08,230 --> 00:07:06,560 always point out to these tall nordics 190 00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:08,240 and the tall nordic narrative is 191 00:07:12,790 --> 00:07:10,400 something that um 192 00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:12,800 might be associated with some of these 193 00:07:17,029 --> 00:07:14,960 advanced beings do you have any evidence 194 00:07:18,550 --> 00:07:17,039 of that go ahead karen yeah i want to 195 00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:18,560 ask you a question first of all you you 196 00:07:23,029 --> 00:07:20,560 keep saying advanced so 197 00:07:26,150 --> 00:07:23,039 advanced define advanced is that 198 00:07:28,950 --> 00:07:26,160 advanced in terms of um to the level 199 00:07:31,589 --> 00:07:28,960 that we see ourselves as humans in on 200 00:07:34,390 --> 00:07:31,599 earth or is that advanced in terms of 201 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:34,400 being greater either in intelligence or 202 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:36,960 capability beyond that and when you talk 203 00:07:41,270 --> 00:07:39,280 about the good versus evil are we 204 00:07:43,749 --> 00:07:41,280 possibly seeing a proliferation of some 205 00:07:46,629 --> 00:07:43,759 of that in the events that we're seeing 206 00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:46,639 is that maybe a different form of these 207 00:07:49,589 --> 00:07:48,000 beings 208 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:49,599 well let's say uh the first part of your 209 00:07:53,589 --> 00:07:51,680 question um yes that's exactly what it 210 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:53,599 means the idea that they're more 211 00:07:58,469 --> 00:07:55,919 advanced than humans okay and they came 212 00:08:00,309 --> 00:07:58,479 to us advanced and they created us and 213 00:08:01,270 --> 00:08:00,319 we are not as advanced but we're getting 214 00:08:03,430 --> 00:08:01,280 there 215 00:08:05,589 --> 00:08:03,440 and what tipped 216 00:08:08,070 --> 00:08:05,599 the tipping point was that 217 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:08,080 humanity discovered how to destroy 218 00:08:12,869 --> 00:08:10,000 itself and the planet 219 00:08:15,029 --> 00:08:12,879 with nuclear weapons um and coinciding 220 00:08:18,230 --> 00:08:15,039 with that a lot of these sightings do 221 00:08:19,350 --> 00:08:18,240 occur over our nuclear facilities 222 00:08:21,510 --> 00:08:19,360 um 223 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:21,520 a lot of these sightings occur 224 00:08:27,110 --> 00:08:24,639 uh over nuclear icbm bases which was 225 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:27,120 mentioned in the hearing 226 00:08:33,190 --> 00:08:30,240 the pentagon declined to address that 227 00:08:34,469 --> 00:08:33,200 and the second part of your question um 228 00:08:36,870 --> 00:08:34,479 i don't know 229 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:36,880 that's completely hypothetical you have 230 00:08:40,949 --> 00:08:38,880 to ask 231 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:40,959 a sociologist or 232 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:44,000 a psychologist or someone who deals with 233 00:08:48,470 --> 00:08:46,160 um the human mind and human behavior i 234 00:08:50,550 --> 00:08:48,480 can't explain human behavior based on 235 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:50,560 what we're seeing in uaps now 236 00:08:54,550 --> 00:08:53,200 reconnaissance over nuclear 237 00:08:56,790 --> 00:08:54,560 sites 238 00:08:59,190 --> 00:08:56,800 would seem to me 239 00:09:01,829 --> 00:08:59,200 to suggest that this is some kind of 240 00:09:03,750 --> 00:09:01,839 human military operation couldn't this 241 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:03,760 be the russians or the chinese or the 242 00:09:09,509 --> 00:09:06,480 united states secret weapons 243 00:09:11,350 --> 00:09:09,519 program itself no and here's why because 244 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:11,360 the russians have complete oversight 245 00:09:15,829 --> 00:09:14,480 over our nuclear uh weapons program as 246 00:09:17,829 --> 00:09:15,839 we do theirs 247 00:09:20,550 --> 00:09:17,839 and in spite of the fact that right now 248 00:09:22,790 --> 00:09:20,560 we may be having a war of words and a 249 00:09:24,790 --> 00:09:22,800 war of weapons in ukraine 250 00:09:26,790 --> 00:09:24,800 the fact remains that there are treaties 251 00:09:28,470 --> 00:09:26,800 in place between the united states and 252 00:09:31,269 --> 00:09:28,480 the russian federation 253 00:09:33,829 --> 00:09:31,279 dealing with the monitoring of our 254 00:09:36,389 --> 00:09:33,839 nuclear programs including nuclear 255 00:09:37,990 --> 00:09:36,399 missiles so they we visit their missiles 256 00:09:39,590 --> 00:09:38,000 and their silos and they visit our 257 00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:39,600 missiles in our silos but wouldn't that 258 00:09:44,710 --> 00:09:41,519 be a reason to create 259 00:09:47,190 --> 00:09:44,720 super machine to get around the treaty 260 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:47,200 to give you an advantage 261 00:09:49,430 --> 00:09:48,000 well 262 00:09:51,350 --> 00:09:49,440 they don't have that super machine 263 00:09:54,389 --> 00:09:51,360 because that's the job of the cia is to 264 00:09:57,990 --> 00:09:54,399 look into the programs that they have in 265 00:10:01,750 --> 00:09:58,000 development in their versions of 51 266 00:10:03,829 --> 00:10:01,760 um to see what is coming online in terms 267 00:10:05,990 --> 00:10:03,839 of advanced weapon and so that is the 268 00:10:07,670 --> 00:10:06,000 job of the intelligence community 269 00:10:09,190 --> 00:10:07,680 particularly the military intelligence 270 00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:09,200 community the defense intelligence 271 00:10:12,949 --> 00:10:10,480 agency what 272 00:10:16,069 --> 00:10:12,959 do the russians have coming online that 273 00:10:18,069 --> 00:10:16,079 is advanced and we have a similar type 274 00:10:21,910 --> 00:10:18,079 of 275 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:21,920 chinese and any other country for that 276 00:10:24,310 --> 00:10:22,800 matter 277 00:10:26,310 --> 00:10:24,320 so i can 278 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:26,320 categorically rule out that it is 279 00:10:29,350 --> 00:10:28,000 russian technology 280 00:10:30,310 --> 00:10:29,360 doing this 281 00:10:32,150 --> 00:10:30,320 um 282 00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:32,160 and if it was russian technology they 283 00:10:35,509 --> 00:10:33,360 would have 284 00:10:37,590 --> 00:10:35,519 completely obliterated ukraine and no 285 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:37,600 time flat and they're not using that 286 00:10:42,550 --> 00:10:40,240 um so we do have monitoring of each 287 00:10:43,990 --> 00:10:42,560 other and so because of this monitoring 288 00:10:47,350 --> 00:10:44,000 because of the fact that when they 289 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:47,360 launch an icbm as a test 290 00:10:51,590 --> 00:10:48,880 the russians tell us that they're 291 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:51,600 launching an icbm as a test and so we're 292 00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:53,360 there ready to collect all of the 293 00:10:57,430 --> 00:10:55,040 technical data and they actually 294 00:10:59,670 --> 00:10:57,440 exchange tapes their data tapes their 295 00:11:01,750 --> 00:10:59,680 telemetry tapes and we receive those 296 00:11:03,350 --> 00:11:01,760 telemetry tapes and we do the same for 297 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:03,360 for the russians i see it and john are 298 00:11:06,870 --> 00:11:05,120 you are you suggesting that there were 299 00:11:08,710 --> 00:11:06,880 spending more time and money covering 300 00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:08,720 something up as opposed to maybe going 301 00:11:12,310 --> 00:11:10,000 out and finding it because i would think 302 00:11:13,910 --> 00:11:12,320 if there's these little ufos or 303 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:13,920 unidentified things flying around the 304 00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:16,560 sky we would maybe look for more things 305 00:11:19,829 --> 00:11:18,480 or do you suggest that these aliens like 306 00:11:22,870 --> 00:11:19,839 the way you suggest it kind of sounded 307 00:11:24,790 --> 00:11:22,880 like marvel's uh eternals that movie um 308 00:11:26,389 --> 00:11:24,800 but are you supposing that they're like 309 00:11:28,150 --> 00:11:26,399 the illuminati and in charge of 310 00:11:30,389 --> 00:11:28,160 everything 311 00:11:32,630 --> 00:11:30,399 well that that is a 312 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:32,640 long bridge to cross that that bridge 313 00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:34,800 has not been built by the government 314 00:11:38,949 --> 00:11:37,440 um that's intriguing fault however 315 00:11:41,670 --> 00:11:38,959 because a lot of 316 00:11:44,069 --> 00:11:41,680 i think from the cia perspective 317 00:11:48,550 --> 00:11:44,079 we deal more with the consciousness 318 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:48,560 aspects of the phenomenon we deal with 319 00:11:54,550 --> 00:11:50,720 the human potential aspects of the 320 00:11:56,949 --> 00:11:54,560 phenomenon meaning when people see 321 00:11:59,350 --> 00:11:56,959 this phenomenon something happens to 322 00:12:00,150 --> 00:11:59,360 them internally something happens to 323 00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:00,160 them 324 00:12:05,509 --> 00:12:03,440 uh psychologically um health-wise 325 00:12:07,030 --> 00:12:05,519 some suffer health effects others get 326 00:12:08,870 --> 00:12:07,040 healed of 327 00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:08,880 have you have you 328 00:12:14,790 --> 00:12:11,360 have you seen 329 00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:14,800 a spaceship in a hangar or uh 330 00:12:17,750 --> 00:12:16,720 an alien body on ice or anything like 331 00:12:20,870 --> 00:12:17,760 that 332 00:12:22,710 --> 00:12:20,880 no i have not i have i am what is known 333 00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:22,720 as an experiencer 334 00:12:26,629 --> 00:12:24,480 of the phenomenon meaning i'm one of the 335 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:26,639 people who have seen orbs or have seen 336 00:12:32,389 --> 00:12:29,920 craft but this was not in relation to my 337 00:12:34,550 --> 00:12:32,399 job at cia having said that what do you 338 00:12:36,629 --> 00:12:34,560 mean you saw it in your in your private 339 00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:36,639 life not your professional life 340 00:12:40,629 --> 00:12:38,800 yeah i've seen those in in my 341 00:12:43,750 --> 00:12:40,639 my private life but to address the 342 00:12:44,710 --> 00:12:43,760 professional life side of the question 343 00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:44,720 um 344 00:12:49,110 --> 00:12:46,800 yes i do know that the 345 00:12:52,389 --> 00:12:49,120 the u.s government has knowledge of 346 00:12:55,990 --> 00:12:52,399 these orbs and have collected data from 347 00:12:58,550 --> 00:12:56,000 these orbs which then 348 00:13:00,870 --> 00:12:58,560 became part of the holdings of 349 00:13:03,670 --> 00:13:00,880 information about what we're seeing so i 350 00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:03,680 do know that there were orbs now as far 351 00:13:08,629 --> 00:13:06,800 as craft let's say roswell another ci 352 00:13:09,670 --> 00:13:08,639 officer who has retired 353 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:09,680 claimed 354 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:10,800 in 355 00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:15,040 coast to coast a.m if i could mention on 356 00:13:20,230 --> 00:13:17,600 another show and said that he has seen 357 00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:20,240 those roswell files at cia headquarters 358 00:13:25,590 --> 00:13:23,120 there were a craft of non-human origin 359 00:13:26,790 --> 00:13:25,600 and there were bodies of non-human 360 00:13:30,629 --> 00:13:26,800 bodies 361 00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:30,639 in the files and he wrote a novel about 362 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:33,760 what he saw he completely made it into a 363 00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:36,000 novelization of what he saw added some 364 00:13:40,629 --> 00:13:38,720 science fiction elements to it but he 365 00:13:43,189 --> 00:13:40,639 has stated that if you read behind the 366 00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:43,199 lines um this is what's happening 367 00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:45,760 i'm not so sure i'm i'm not i don't i 368 00:13:51,509 --> 00:13:48,800 don't know i'm not convinced but yeah 369 00:13:53,829 --> 00:13:51,519 if there are interdimensional beings 370 00:13:56,629 --> 00:13:53,839 people that can fly through a black hole 371 00:13:59,350 --> 00:13:56,639 from an alternate universe 372 00:14:01,350 --> 00:13:59,360 should we be afraid 373 00:14:02,870 --> 00:14:01,360 well 374 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:02,880 if they wanted to destroy earth the 375 00:14:08,389 --> 00:14:05,680 earth would have been destroyed um i i 376 00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:08,399 think they're more um 377 00:14:11,030 --> 00:14:09,360 like 378 00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:11,040 they consider us their children 379 00:14:15,189 --> 00:14:12,959 quote-unquote and that they're more 380 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:15,199 interested in uh that we don't destroy 381 00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:17,760 ourselves terrible that's why the 382 00:14:24,389 --> 00:14:20,720 interventions uh that they have with our 383 00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,399 nuclear forces people here and in russia 384 00:14:28,629 --> 00:14:26,399 well it could be like the twilight zone 385 00:14:31,189 --> 00:14:28,639 where we're actually like a farm like 386 00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:31,199 piglets remember that remember the book 387 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:33,199 to serve a man yeah 388 00:14:36,949 --> 00:14:34,560 could be that 389 00:14:39,189 --> 00:14:36,959 right there are philosophers who have 390 00:14:41,509 --> 00:14:39,199 applying uh what's known as the 391 00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:41,519 simulation hypothesis that we're living 392 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:43,360 in a simulation 393 00:14:46,550 --> 00:14:45,120 mathematically it's kind of hard to make 394 00:14:50,069 --> 00:14:46,560 it i don't know if there's a proof for 395 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:50,079 it but again the point being is that um 396 00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:52,320 it is difficult to explain 397 00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:53,360 but 398 00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:55,839 i believe the government has a cogent 399 00:14:59,350 --> 00:14:58,000 explanation of most of what they're 400 00:15:01,110 --> 00:14:59,360 seeing 401 00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:01,120 and 402 00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:02,880 i don't believe the government is 403 00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:05,040 forthcoming in that yet because there 404 00:15:08,230 --> 00:15:06,480 are too many 405 00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:08,240 too many bridges to be built over too 406 00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:11,199 many large chasms that have 407 00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:13,600 i've been dug over the like 75 years 408 00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:15,120 since roswell happened yeah i don't 409 00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:16,720 think the government would be covering 410 00:15:19,829 --> 00:15:18,480 this up mark you know you know why 411 00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:19,839 because they're holding hearings 412 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:21,920 otherwise you just shut it all down 413 00:15:26,069 --> 00:15:24,480 right now i'm saying that 414 00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:26,079 don't forget the government's composed 415 00:15:29,030 --> 00:15:26,880 of 416 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:29,040 three branches and so you have the 417 00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:31,040 executive branch holding on to the 418 00:15:35,269 --> 00:15:32,800 information and not releasing it and you 419 00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:35,279 have the legislative branch 420 00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:37,680 which we elect every two years a new 421 00:15:41,269 --> 00:15:39,519 congress 422 00:15:43,990 --> 00:15:41,279 wanting to release information so you 423 00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:44,000 have this clash of purposes perhaps 424 00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:46,000 where one side wants to keep it down 425 00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:48,720 keep the tamp down the other wants to be 426 00:15:51,110 --> 00:15:50,000 the other side wants to be more 427 00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:51,120 forthcoming 428 00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:52,399 because there's two pieces of 429 00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:55,680 legislation this just the national 430 00:15:59,350 --> 00:15:57,600 defense authorization act 431 00:16:01,110 --> 00:15:59,360 of this fiscal year was the one that 432 00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:01,120 most people heard about 433 00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:02,720 but buried in the 434 00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:04,959 budget the entire budget of the federal 435 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:06,800 government the consolidated 436 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:09,440 appropriations act buried in it is the 437 00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:11,680 the intelligence authorization act which 438 00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:14,079 is completely different from the 439 00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:15,839 military side so 440 00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:18,959 um i'm getting wonky here but it's 441 00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:20,320 ndaa 442 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:27,189 deals with the intelligence side 443 00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:29,680 on the civilian side of intelligence and 444 00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:32,000 all right john you're getting two wonky 445 00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:33,360 you're getting too wonky this is just a 446 00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:35,440 regular people show so let me ask you 447 00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:37,360 just so everybody knows 448 00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:38,720 you will be 449 00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:40,800 testifying before congress this month 450 00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:43,279 next month oh absolutely not 451 00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:45,120 i don't have nothing to say to congress 452 00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:47,839 because i have no current information 453 00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:49,199 and the people who have current 454 00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,199 information um 455 00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:53,519 that's louis losando and chris mellon 456 00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:56,959 those two gentlemen uh need to testify 457 00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:57,839 so 458 00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:00,720 know we're going a little bit over i 459 00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,160 gave you my word 460 00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:04,640 you watch the hearings 461 00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:06,319 earlier this month 462 00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:09,199 some total did we learn anything are we 463 00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:11,839 closer to the truth 464 00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:13,600 congress is closer to truth they have 465 00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:15,039 always been closer to truth we the 466 00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:16,240 people are not 467 00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:18,799 um there will be more hearings and there 468 00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:21,120 will be on the senate 469 00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:23,280 senate side and the house side of 470 00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:25,199 intelligence we saw the house side 471 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:26,559 there's also the senate side of 472 00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:27,760 intelligence 473 00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:30,320 they will be holding hearings and on the 474 00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:32,240 armed services side of both the senate 475 00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:33,520 and house 476 00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:36,320 they will be holding hearings so we got 477 00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:37,919 one committee's hearings but there are 478 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,160 three more committees that 479 00:17:45,909 --> 00:17:42,720 have purview or oversight of this uap 480 00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:45,919 topic and i expect to have more hearings 481 00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:48,559 over the course of the next not just 482 00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:51,039 this year but several years 483 00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:52,960 if i could ask you to take the politics 484 00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:55,679 out of it take a little of the intellect 485 00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:58,240 out of it you and i are having coffee at 486 00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:00,400 a shop around the corner from your house 487 00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:02,559 give me the thumbnail if i said john 488 00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:04,880 what's happening what would you tell me 489 00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:07,440 take all the other stuff out thumbnail 490 00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:08,559 what is that 491 00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:11,120 okay what's happening is that um 492 00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:12,160 currently 493 00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:14,960 military pilots have encountered 494 00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:16,160 craft 495 00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:17,280 of 496 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:19,360 unexplainable performance 497 00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:21,840 that are trans-medium they fly in the 498 00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:24,080 air they fly in space 499 00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:26,160 they fly from space into the air and 500 00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:29,919 back into the ocean the ocean has 501 00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:33,120 a significant presence of this uap 502 00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:35,039 phenomenon occurring 503 00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:36,720 in fact in the state of michigan of 504 00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:38,880 course there's several 505 00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:41,039 sightings that have occurred of craft 506 00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:43,679 coming out of for example lake erie 507 00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,160 and and landing in detroit maneuvers and 508 00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:48,559 so forth so i mean it's transmedia it's 509 00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:50,240 under the water it's in the air it's in 510 00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:52,400 space there's something flying that is 511 00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:54,160 not human made 512 00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:56,320 and the government would like to know 513 00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,799 what's flying up there having said that 514 00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,080 there are parts of the government who do 515 00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:03,200 know who are not disclosing that even to 516 00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:06,160 the government and you as a former cia 517 00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:07,840 specialist 518 00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:10,720 have seen evidence in your professional 519 00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:13,440 life and you've encountered 520 00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:16,640 orbs in your personal life so you know 521 00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:19,440 you know as a matter of life experience 522 00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:22,160 that that is an extremely fair statement 523 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,559 they are out 524 00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:26,400 you captured it in a nutshell right 525 00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:28,160 there my brother and you said we the 526 00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:29,280 people 527 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,520 are getting closer to the truth 528 00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:33,360 except some of us 529 00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:35,039 may not be people 530 00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:36,240 whoa 531 00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,600 that's intriguing 532 00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,039 thank you sir thank you for being with 533 00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:42,080 us john ramirez former uh uh what is a 534 00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:43,520 cia 535 00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:46,400 officer officer yes sir and a general 536 00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:49,840 ufo expert thank you brother and um 537 00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,320 i'm gonna get you i'm gonna get your uh 538 00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:54,240 address and send you a nice 539 00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:57,200 treat from detroit a flying 540 00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,799 coney kit 541 00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,559 okay thanks john 542 00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:02,799 all right thanks mark thank you dad nice